Sounds like doxxing to me. I agree, it’s never the right time for that.
[quote="DrPete"] It's kind of amazing that this thread hasn't attracted more trolls, isn't it? I love this community, btw. [/quote]
You shouldn't have said that .......
Pff, you call that a troll...
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Pff, you call that a troll...
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I wonder what would have happened if none of the original D&D guys had read Three Hearts and Three Lions, since that's where that troll came from.
[quote="The Dark"]
I wonder what would have happened if none of the original D&D guys had read Three Hearts and Three Lions, since that's where that troll came from.
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Probably a more Tolkieny troll, if any.
[quote="Rodriguez"] I vehemently disagree!
Its never the right time to create outrage and form some internet vigilante mob just because the legal system does not currently agree if something is a crime or not. [/quote]
There's a difference between expressing outrage at morally reprehensible behavior and "form[ing] some internet vigilante mob".
Although rest assured when I tell people the story of this Kickstarter, I will not mention how I tried to ignite a boycott and ended up being the only person to cancel my pledge. I will be the glorious leader of an vigilante mob fighting for truth and justice in the dark corners of the internet where a bunch of older white dudes nerd out about the demographics of imaginary ACKS kingdoms.
[quote="sulldawga"]
There's a difference between expressing outrage at morally reprehensible behavior and "form[ing] some internet vigilante mob".
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So that outrage will only take the form of angry posts on social media?
No further activism?
As RPG players, it is our right; nay, our sacred duty; when telling stories of the Old Days, to alter them to make ourselves sound better.
I will be the glorious leader of an vigilante mob fighting for truth and justice in the dark corners of the internet where a bunch of older white dudes nerd out about the demographics of imaginary D&D kingdoms.
That's not a nice thing to say. It's ACKS kingdoms, not D&D kingdoms.
I don't really know much about this vox day character other than skimming through a quick internet search, however, this thread did make me back the kickstarter. I enjoy reading through the ideas in ACKs (haven't much chance to run it, sadly) and am looking forward to adding these new books to my digital collection.
[quote="Rodriguez"] So that outrage will only take the form of angry posts on social media?
No further activism? [/quote]
I withdrew my pledge. I'm honestly not sure what the next step would be. I am open to suggestions.
[quote="Alex"] That's not a nice thing to say. It's ACKS kingdoms, not D&D kingdoms. [/quote]
You're the last person I'd expect to take umbrage over someone saying not nice things. But you expressed your opposition politely so how could I not edit my post?
LOL, thanks sulldawga! I was being facetious but it cracks me up that you played along.
I dunno if it matters, but I would gleefully assist law enforcement in identifying anyone involved in a doxxing harassment attack or a swatting. This conversation makes me feel like there’s something wrong with that.
Alex, you've always gone above and beyond the call of duty to help me and I appreciate that.
So I hope you'll permit me to respectfully and politely say that I disagree with this decision and will not be getting this new setting. Not because of reasons of economic boycott in order to effect some sort of cause, but because this inclusion makes the product less appealing to me. SJWs say a lot of stupid shit (Sturgeon's Law is not enough, it's more like 1% good things) but at the end of the day I'm probably about 100000 times closer to them than to anti-SJWs. Doesn't mean I want to join either camp, but my little hut in the wilderness is a lot closer to SJW-land than the other side. I'm definitely not about to get onboard with Vox Day (or Brandon Morse, or Gamergate for that matter).
I hope this was an OK thing to write. You know I appreciate you and all your knowledge on how to play roleplaying games correctly. I hope we can remain on good terms.
Thanks for the kind words, 2097. You must, of course, follow your conscience. I don't hold ill will towards anyone for doing that.
That was a reply I sincerely appreciated. Thanks.
To the people complaining about Vox ‘doxxing’ people, it would be honest to acknowledge the SJW List only targets people who have, themselves, engaged in or openly called for the doxxing and disemployement of people found guilty of badthink.
Don’t like the gander sauce? Stop cooking that goose.
I din’t really know about that. Fascinating. I wonder what that list is for.
Meanwhile, during this very kickstarter…
https://nightwind777.blogspot.com/2017/03/vox-day-gets-caught-in-his-own-trap.html
[quote="Taarkoth"] To the people complaining about Vox 'doxxing' people, it would be honest to acknowledge the SJW List only targets people who have, themselves, engaged in or openly called for the doxxing and disemployement of people found guilty of badthink. Don't like the gander sauce? Stop cooking that goose. [/quote] You've missed the point entirely. VD is doxxing people who give him negative reviews on Amazon. This isn't some justified attack based on an ideological war surrounding GamerGate. While I don't believe your assertion above (any evidence of that? or is that just what's shared on suspect forums? Having been the victims of doxxing, I highly doubt that many of the people on the SJW List are in favor of doxxing as a practice), it doesn't matter in this instance. People leaving negative reviews on Amazon are not giving their ideological permission to be doxxed.
From one of the Comments on the blog post cited below your post. I don't have evidence this comment is factual, but it certainly matches a pattern of reported behavior:
> Vox is especially insidious and cowardly, because he just kind of puts a cyber hit out on people and then leaves his anonymous minions to do the dirty work for him. So VD really has no idea what kind of psycho he has gone and radicalized, nor does he really care. It gives him cover, a kind of plausible deniability. He never actually got his own hands dirty so it's not his problem. That also leaves his dread ilk or his minions or whatever, holding the bag. So they hero worship VD and then he exploits them, uses them as pawns in his power tripping games. They trip over themselves trying to please him.
> >I'm always concerned because VD has no real idea who his minions are, who is idolizing him and acting on his behalf. One of these days he just might appeal to some guy who is mentally and morally unstable and the end result is going to be something much more tragic then the silly pizza gate shooter.
On one level, this does make for a fascinating character study that could be translated into a character class in a fantasy role-playing game. On the other, including it not as satire or exploitative of a fucked-up individual and his cronies, but rather at the fui's request, glorifies the behavior and gives them a calling-card.
It's pretty fucked-up. I'm still in on the KS campaign, because I'm not going to let VD ruin my access to new ACKS material, but I'm very curious to find out if I can stomach the inclusion in the product.
I remain concerned that Autarch is letting this dude use their IP for his garbage.