Wilderness Encounter: Veteran

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Ludanto
Joined: 2012-04-30 11:52
Wilderness Encounter: Veteran

On page 245, Wilderness Encounters: Men, Inhabited/6 = "Veteran".

It feels like it ought to be in there with "Merchant" and "Buccaneer" and "Berserker", but it's not.

So, what's a "Veteran"?

Jard
Joined: 2012-07-11 23:23

I ran into a similar problem on the men entries when 1 is Bandit, 2 is Brigand, but there's only Brigand under the men entry (and I searched the whole PDF for bandit, having no luck)

Charlatan
Joined: 2011-08-08 15:20

The difference between bandits and brigands is only alignment (bandits are chaotic, brigands neutral). I thought this had been addressed in one of the final proofs, but maybe it was left out. I'd check the errata thread.

Charlatan
Joined: 2011-08-08 15:20

I'm sure the "veteran" tag is inherited from games in which it's the title for a 1st level Fighter-type. The intent is probably to use the rules for Brigands, but make them lawful (with Bandits rounding out the alignments).

Jard
Joined: 2012-07-11 23:23

I suppose my PDF may be out of date, I'll go hunt down the errata and review it.

Ludanto
Joined: 2012-04-30 11:52

Bandits are chaotic and brigands are neutral? Well, that's a bizarre distinction.

Dave2
Joined: 2012-02-18 10:21

IIRC, "Brigand" originally meant soldier. Generally professional enough to be decently equipped (hence "Brigandine" armour), but out of work soldiers tended to be a little rough on the local populations and it shifted towards being synonymous with Bandits.
I suspect that ACKS is using the term to differentiate between someone who's just trying to keep himself fed between legit work (Neutral) and a Bandit who actively enjoys earning off the misery of others (Chaotic). In RP terms a brigand is probably trying to rob you: a bandit is trying to kill you so that he can rob your corpse.

moorcrys
Joined: 2012-02-22 22:34

I like that analogy!

James C. Bennett
Joined: 2012-01-17 20:17

I assumed a veteran was a 1st level fighter, but it turns out I pulled that from Domains at War:

"Mercenary units with experience of real war are known as veterans. Veterans will generally be 1st level fighters or explorers They will have morale scores 1 point higher than the base morale for their troop type. . If recruited into a leader’s army, veterans must be paid twice the wages of normal troops of their type. Up to 25% of mercenaries hired (e.g. 100 out of every 400) may be veterans."

On the wandering monster tables I put together for my campaign, I replaced "veteran" with "lone 1st level warrior" and "acolyte" with "lone 2nd level clergy"; basically a recruiting opportunity, or an opportunity for some low-level healing.

drnuncheon
Joined: 2012-06-13 18:40

Veteran used to be the level title for a 1st level fighter. I didn't realize it had changed in ACKS!

Beedo
Joined: 2011-07-12 13:55

"Veterans" were an encounter type in BX, possibly Mentzer, a mixed group of fighters levels 1-3. I just thought that was legacy code that didn't get commented out.

Alex
Joined: 2011-06-30 18:10

The inclusion of Bandit and Veteran was definitely legacy code. 

The intent of the encounter is that your party runs into a group of low-level thieves (Bandits) and low-level fighters (Veterans), but you'd have no way of knowing this unless you owned a copy of the Moldvay Basic set, which lists Bandits and Veterans as monster types.

For ACKS purposes:
Bandits - Roll an NPC encounter; average level 1; all NPCs are Thieves

Veterans - Roll an NPC encounter; average level 1; all NPCs are Fighters