Arcane and Divine Value-

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Kamard
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Arcane and Divine Value-

Curious if it would be overly game breaking to allow Divine Value-granted spells to be delayed in a similar manner as Arcane Value spells.

I am also interested in balance related to spell delay of, for example, Arcane Value 2 (Delay CL-5 to get full casting). Would it be at all balanced to allow a delay of CL-3 to get 2/3 casting?

Kamard
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Nobody? Did I post this in the wrong forum?

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As to the first question I've done that with several custom classes and seen no issues.

Not quite sure about your second question.

Kamard
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I mean, for example, if I have an Arcane Value that provides 1/2 spellcasting, and I can delay it to Level-5 to get full spellcasting, could I delay it to Level-3 to get 2/3 spellcasting.

I suspect that if I took the time to compare spell progressions, it's probably not worth it in most scenarios.

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It only gets to be worth it at later levels. The class creation guidelines specify arcane casters, not divine, so the balance one way or another is not really addressed. I would be cautious since Alex often has ridiculously well structured reasons for why he makes the choices that he does that have to do with how the entire game fits together, but it could work out. We are talking about a system for homebrew classes anyway.

"Every campaign is a law unto itself..."

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Curious if it would be overly game breaking to allow Divine Value-granted spells to be delayed in a similar manner as Arcane Value spells.

APM: You can do that, but keep in mind that only Divine 1 offers a fractional level of divine casting.

I am also interested in balance related to spell delay of, for example, Arcane Value 2 (Delay CL-5 to get full casting). Would it be at all balanced to allow a delay of CL-3 to get 2/3 casting?

APM: Here are the correlations between fractional level and delayed availability of spell progressions:

(Fractional Level) (Delayed Availability)
Class level Class level
⅔ class level Class level – 3
½ class level Class level – 5
⅓ class level Class level – 7

So, yes, you can trade Caster Level -3 to allow 2/3 casting, or vice versa.

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Okay, right. So if I have Divine Value 1, I could have 2/3 spellcasting starting at level 4, or full spellcasting at level 6.

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Keep in mind that "full spellcasting" for divine characters doesn't get a spell at level 1 (and therefore, not at level 4 for a level -3 class).